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Ahmedeus
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Subject: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:28 pm |
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There are many bands today who have been around for a long, long time. Most of them have been successful, like Black Sabbath, who still have their original line-up and have been playing for over 40 years. Their contribution to out beloved genre is immeasurable. But then there are bands like Deep Purple, and Lynyrd Skynyrd who have maybe 1 original member each, and they are still producing albums and touring. One of Lynyrd Skynyrd's new songs was just made official to WWE, so we know they're doing pretty well in the mainstream. I am not questioning their talent as they are now, but the question is this: is it fair for these bands to make money under a name that everyone knows? I hardly doubt Deep Purple are followed around by their original fanbase. I think Machine Head(1972) was a monumental album and it's one of my favorites, but there's no way I'll go to a Deep Purple concert. Without their original line-up, it's just an empty name. Metallica have the right idea. Many of their fans liked them because of Cliff Burton. And the band doesn't disappoint, they play the old songs that made them famous, and which is what the fans pay to see. I'm not talking about bands like Motorhead, AC/DC and KISS though. They've been around for a long time too, but they're more "consistent" than "fraudulent". So lets save the "they've been playing the same music over and over again" argument for another thread. Is it fair for arguably washed-up bands to make money under a name that everyone knows?
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Kwartin
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:51 pm |
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I don't think they should, they should change the name and develop a new fan base. I don't think it's fair to the fans to be like "OH YEA, I JUST GOT *Insert band name*'S NEW ALBUM!11!" and then find out it isn't the band because there's only one member left.
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Adothorr
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:10 pm |
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I think it depends on the members that are still left in the band. Megadeth will always be Megadeth while Dave is in the band even if everyone else changes. Some bands, however, I think should just give it up or change names if key members are no longer there.
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AarO)))n
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:21 pm |
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I am with ANDREW (see spelled it right this time ). It really depends on the band. You can't make a sweeping statement for music in general. For instance. Alice in Chains. I for one am none to happy that they are continuing with the name and without Layne. But on the other hand. The Misfits. While Danzig will ALWAYS be the Misfits. I still enjoy the Graves stuff. Again, it really depends on which band we are talking about.
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Kwartin
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:24 pm |
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I dislike Queen using Queen without Freddie. D:
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AarO)))n
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:24 pm |
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- Kwartin wrote:
- I dislike Queen using Queen without Freddie. D:
Agreed.
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Adothorr
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:24 pm |
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- AarO)))n wrote:
- I am with ANDREW (see spelled it right this time ). It really depends on the band. You can't make a sweeping statement for music in general. For instance. Alice in Chains. I for one am none to happy that they are continuing with the name and without Layne. But on the other hand. The Misfits. While Danzig will ALWAYS be the Misfits. I still enjoy the Graves stuff. Again, it really depends on which band we are talking about.
You are getting better for a senile old man! XD
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Nautilus
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:26 pm |
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Couple of mistakes here - The Machine Head lineup wasn't actually the original one, and it would be worth it to go to a Purple concert, they produced some great music without the Mk II version. Gillan's voice is going these days though. Also, I'd actually include Kiss in your list of has-beens, especially how they dress up other people to look like Ace and Peter. They've become almost a mockery of themselves. Also, OZZY is the definition of washed up. Hopefully Gus G can kick his ass.
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Kwartin
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:36 pm |
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- AarO)))n wrote:
- Kwartin wrote:
- I dislike Queen using Queen without Freddie. D:
Agreed. Yay! =D - Nautilus wrote:
- Also, OZZY is the definition of washed up. Hopefully Gus G can kick his ass.
Who's Gus G?
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Adothorr
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:41 pm |
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- Kwartin wrote:
Who's Gus G? New guitarist for Ozzy. He played in Dream Evil, Firewind, and a few other bands.
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Kwartin
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:45 pm |
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- Adothorr wrote:
- Kwartin wrote:
Who's Gus G? New guitarist for Ozzy. He played in Dream Evil, Firewind, and a few other bands. Never heard of him up till now. >.< He seems pretty good from what I'm listening too now.
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AarO)))n
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:46 pm |
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- Adothorr wrote:
You are getting better for a senile old man! XD Watch it there whipper snapper. I have badger meat and I know how to use it
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Adothorr
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:49 pm |
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- AarO)))n wrote:
- Adothorr wrote:
You are getting better for a senile old man! XD Watch it there whipper snapper. I have badger meat and I know how to use it I have a weird thingy riding another weird thingy! I don't know what they do but it's probably somewhat dangerous!
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AarO)))n
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:50 pm |
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Adothorr
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:53 pm |
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Kwartin
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:59 pm |
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Adothorr
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:01 pm |
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Kwartin
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:05 pm |
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Adothorr
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:07 pm |
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Nautilus
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Tue Sep 08, 2009 11:07 pm |
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The only thing it's good for is porn. Fuck niggertits' /b/.
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Ahmedeus
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:25 am |
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- Nautilus wrote:
- Couple of mistakes here - The Machine Head lineup wasn't actually the original one, and it would be worth it to go to a Purple concert, they produced some great music without the Mk II version. Gillan's voice is going these days though.
My mistake. But by original line-up I mostly mean "the line-up that made them famous". - Nautilus wrote:
- Also, I'd actually include Kiss in your list of has-beens, especially how they dress up other people to look like Ace and Peter. They've become almost a mockery of themselves.
Also, OZZY is the definition of washed up. Hopefully Gus G can kick his ass. I wasn't aware KISS was missing two members , but I feel they're somewhat loyal to their original fanbase, most of which consists of old geysers =p But yeah, mainstream as hell. If you've been wearing face paint since 1974...you know it's been too long.
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Monkzum
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:24 am |
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I disagree.. A lot of people write off a band because they don't have the 'original' line up. This is piss as far as i'm concerned. If you've joined the band you're in the band and that's how it is until you leave. Cliff Burton was no more Metallica's bassist than Jason Newstead and it doesn't matter who was better. There's no/or there shouldn't be hierachy within the band. If a totally new band are taking over then the name should change of course but just because people aren't 'original' band members doesn't mean they aren't as important to the band as any others. All bands change and people just have to accept that they are still the same band regardless of whose in it. Tell me, if Cronos of Venom were to leave then would it still be Venom? yes, I think if the other band members can find a replacement.
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Pastor of Muppets
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:49 am |
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Alice in Chains is another good example. I think that Layne Staley made that band. But the new singer isn't bad at all. People were saying that they shouldn't continue with the name Alice in Chains after Layne died, but I don't have any problems with it. BTW: their new album comes out the end of this month.
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bleghman
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:08 pm |
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- Ahmedeus wrote:
- Metallica have the right idea. Many of their fans liked them because of Cliff Burton. And the band doesn't disappoint, they play the old songs that made them famous, and which is what the fans pay to see.
SAAAAAAAINT ANGER ROUND MAH NECK HEEEEEEEEE NEVAR GETS RESPECK
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bleghman
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Subject: Re: Legends or Has-beens? Wed Sep 09, 2009 1:11 pm |
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- Monkzum wrote:
- A lot of people write off a band because they don't have the 'original' line up.
but god forbid anyone disses Napalm Death
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